you look at both of these gentlemen, they've both been in the political cal scescene for time. most of us have already formed an opinion of vice president biden. four years working with president obama. two presidential campaigns and 40 years in washington. i think we have an understanding of who joe biden is and what he stands for. on the other side of the equation, i'm personally excited to see congressman ryan tonight. he's a smart guy. he's in command of details. i am very hopeful that he will be able to carry forth the momentum that the romney campaign got out of the first presidential debate. >> how do you think he should play that? because the lead article in the "washington post" today notes how -- an emphasis in tone governor romney is tracking to the center for obvious reasons as we get closer to the vote. do you think ryan should do the same or double down on his conservative heritage for what that could do to get the vote out on the gop side? >> simon, i think what ryan should actually do is follow the boss' lead and i think that it's gotten the campaign to where th